Show Notes

#15: The Gateway Drug to Musical Theatre II – Defying Gravity

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Y’all, Stephen Schwartz is a classy guy.

In today’s conclusion of our Schwartz spotlight, we explore what makes him a keeper in the American musical theatre landscape, making the bold statement that of all his work, Wicked will, in fact, be his lasting legacy. Guest host Madison Garrett joins host Sally Fuller to deep dive into the backstories and journey of what Schwartz has called “Rosencrantz and Guildenstern in Oz.”


  • Wicked rocks our socks off. Take a listen to it.
  • You know what else rocks our socks off? Musical Theater Heritage. Click here to watch their streaming content and all they do to preserve the appreciation of musical theatre! 
  • Our favs: Idina Menzel, Kristin Chenoweth, Stephanie J. Block, Joel Grey, Robert Morse, How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying, Norbert Leo Butz, Fred and Adele Astaire Award, Chita Rivera, Jeremy Jordan, Newsies, Carole Shelley, Robin Hood, Christopher Fitzgerald, Waitress, Michele Federer, Wayne Cilento, A Chorus Line, Dancing With the Stars, Winnie Holzman, Caroline, or Change, Avenue Q, Taboo, Barbra Streisand, Hamilton, The Fox Theatre in Atlanta and Missouri, Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
  • Special thanks to Peachy Corners Cafe, Crazy Love Coffeehouse, Land of a Thousand Hills Coffee, Ground & Pound Coffee, and Noble & Main for being the best editing offices.
  • BGP would not be possible without behind-the-scenes team members Thomas Fuller and Elise Friderich.

Bonus Videos

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Joel Grey, who played the Wizard in Wicked, made a name for himself on Broadway when he originated the role of the MC in Cabaret. Which we might or might not be deep-diving soon…

We misspoke in this episode and said the name “San Francisco” interchangeably with “San Diego.” That’s what we get for living on the East Coast, right? Wicked had its out-of-town tryout in San Francisco, not San Diego.

Y’all, I took a deeper dive into the story behind Avenue Q‘s producers Tony Awards campaign that enabled them to win Best Musical over the smash hit over the season, and not only is it completely true, it is salacious. Not only did the producers run an unprecedented campaign to Tony voters- complete with a song parody on a CD sent in the mail- but they made a false announcement before the Tonys. Click here to read my blog post telling the whole story!

Photographic proof of the aforementioned “floppy wig” sweet Norbert had to wear in the San Francisco tryout:

How to Broadway corner

“What is an out-of-town tryout?” This week’s episode elaborates on this notion, specifically answering why a show opens outside of New York before opening on Broadway.

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